- jesus main kairos, person to show we are also capable, and its [[Agape]] love - jesus was justice so god could love - we become vessels for agape - agape as a process itself is god - just like Saul's transformation from past anti-Christian self, we are at war with Agape itself. we like feeling self-made - Paul and his passage, commonly used in weddings - inner conflict between old (law justice order) and new self (liberal love) - since he knew god he understood his inner conflict - people who have deep conflict deeply resonate with the church because of it's unconditionality