## Summary In this episode, Dr John Vervaeke discusses the importance of Socratic dialogue and inner reflection for achieving personal growth and understanding. He emphasizes the role of relevance realization in enhancing our cognition and aligning ourselves with reality. Vervaeke also highlights the connection between Socrates' teachings and the practice of dialectic, which fosters deeper conversations and meaningful insights. ## Notes - [[Logos]] - Logos changes us, but more change is done through non-propositional then propositional - [[Cynicism]] - [[Metanoia]] ### To Read - [/] Verbal Judo: The Gentle Art of Persuasion, Verbal Aikido: The Art of Directing Verbal Attacks to a Balanced Outcome. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepqax69zm992rzf9h9ghb2e)) - Tags: #toread - [/] non-violent communication, a Language of Life, empathy, collaboration, authenticity, and freedom. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepqbtzr3epkq4s5m9ne9gh9)) - Tags: #toread The third edition: these are all things that will help you in a real-world context to get into the harmonious kind of conversations in which you could start to apply the virtues that you are cultivating in your specific practices, which lead to dialectic and dialogues. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepqc5r400m4fqrnwqfdct7t)) ## Highlights there's a deep connection therefore between that notion of collection and division as the driving Of the complexification of our relevance realization, so that we are properly ratio religio to the complexity of the world, so that we continually are generating emergent abilities to deal with deeper realities ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jem48brmkf89ne9zrwhjt076)) - 💭 never realized the application of emergence and division and self organization was also highly prevalent in biology logos is the enunciation revealing that what is or was. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jem4qavvzdm6wd2h4vqfasj8)) ^yh8t9f - 💭 antisthenis definition of logos, focus to be non propositional and non definitional So another way of taking this part of the statement is a clear sizing-up, noticing that makes intelligible what something is or was. So the logos makes one notice clearly the revelation, the disclosure, the appearing, the pronouncement of what is or was. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jem54fcbagbga7h42cjb2sw4)) ^zpa20s Now, why does he put on that extra disjunction? It's not an "and" it's an "or." So we're; it's not an "and." We're not adding the two; we're shifting attention between "is" and "was." It's an aspect shift. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jem587encxr8agtqw5zrhm08)) ^8e93lt - 💭 why the definition has "that", encourages us to compare this is actually a brilliant proposal. All right, we get locked into the propositions, and the propositions are opposite to each other. What we're trying to do is manipulate the propositions, and he's saying that's only symptomatic of the fact that we are disoriented from each other, and that's the fundamental difference. Insofar as we are disoriented from each other, we are not contradicting each other; we are talking at cross purposes. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepn72hm75brkey5ewj2htn2)) ^lep12l what we’re doing is we’re actually engaging in practices that involve significant effort and transformation labor on our part. That’s a very different attitude than towards making arguments. So using language to do important work, important training, spiritual exercise again very much like what we see when people use things like the Zen Cohen or Jesus of Nazareth offering a parable. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepnrpqsqpt3jxm6p8nqyqj7)) ^u70yl2 - 💭 using language to show not tell Training in the gymnasium, in one sense, you're not doing anything. You're not doing anything; so in one sense, you're losing language. You're not doing anything, you're not making an argument, you're not making a case. But in another sense, you're doing something really important; you're training yourself to develop sets of skills and virtues and ways of getting an optimal grip and orienting and getting a mental optimal grip in a mental orientation. Remember the stance from fighting and sparring. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepp285w1558pg2sfwj6b8dy)) ^ol7gqo - 💭 transferability of being able to cultivate a self through embodied practices? second kind of training And then there was a third kind of training; we have less about it, but it's very clear, and we have some clarity about what kind of training it was. It involved a training with your self-image, your self-reference, your self-relevance, and it was designed to make you resistant to shame. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepp4pa5yaz32gjfa04h1m34)) Sophia is much more about finding principles that are context invariant. Phronesis is about being contextually sensitive and fitting yourself to the situation. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepp7ryz33vrk39z9sr6cfhe)) ^fpdqx3 would add training in improv. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jeppfdb3r2chyq99vg2ppdha)) ^sx5sdp Bleed is when the The distinction between what's happening in the game and what's happening in your life breaks down so that you're actually not just playing a game; you're doing a serious play in both senses of the word that actually is supposed to transfer to your life and bring that capacity for improv into your real life situation. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jeppemdsjz8havdevc844a0e)) ^p7kmzd Anticines is emphasizing the horizontal axis of dialectic, but how he's enriching it and making it much more embodied, improvisational, and creative, bringing in a lot of the stuff we've been talking about, and really trying to emphasize it, and to preserve it from being ignored or crushed by propositional logic and argumentation. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jepph99f2p63bfp5t1m5rmt5)) ^pqzzlg performative contradictions, if you remember, are contradictions not between propositions but between what you're saying and your perspectival participatory state. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jeppp63kqfmj20t1qcrs79qh)) ^1hduu1 - 💭 diogenes and cynics To redirect attention and reorient us ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jeppwhy8ek34qrmdcfa8dew2)) ^9azqs3 - 💭 amplified through his honest man search and capturing of attention through sexual acts to highlight the misfocusing towards the actual immoral things in the marketplace shame is used in order to pretend we are shamed or honored. That's used in order to pretend that these conventional codes are actually somehow truly real or the way things really are. ([View Highlight](https://read.readwise.io/read/01jeppzr88dk21r1zw8dnp3w8p)) ^9yguj3 - 💭 to try and promote superficial values that arent foundational